AI implemented with Update 7.3

I find it disgraceful that AI is being foisted on me with the new update without asking and without being informed about it.
It was only by chance that I discovered that there is an AI-controlled notification organizer that cannot be switched off centrally.
I had to turn it off in every single app.
why do I have an alternative CostumRom? To escape exactly such things.
Are there any other AI implementations?
Comprehensive information would be desirable!

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I completely agree.

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Settings > Notifications > Notification organizer

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I’ve never understood the irrational hatred for AI. It’s just the name of a specific kind of software which isn’t quite different from other kinds of software. If you use software you get software. What else do you expect? What does it mean by “foisted on”? If a new feature like custom theming is added to the OS, does that mean the feature is “foisted on” users? It’s a really stupid way of thinking. And yes, battery optimisation can technically be counted as AI as it learns the user’s behaviour and self-regulates.

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I know this function, but it doesn’t work.

I would like to decide on functions myself.
Leaving decisions and thinking to an AI is stupid and makes stupid.

If it doesn’t work it’s probably just a bug. Or you have to reboot your phone to make it work? If it’s turned off, the normal behaviour is that it’s turned off, unsurprisingly.

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I don’t get all his fud against AI per se. It’s just software at the end of the day, the problem is having software getting your personal info and communicating with servers that are not your servers. If it’s some optimization inside your hardware running software only inside it, what’s wrong with it?

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As I already wrote: I want to decide for myself and not leave it to an AI.
Just as you say it’s just software, you could also say it’s just data. No! I’ll repeat myself here: I chose a CostumRom for good reasons.
What I find worst is that users are not informed about it.

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Information about AI notification SW should be incorporated into IO News Channel log. That I agree on. On the other hand, I agree also on smart usage of AI when it makes sense. And there is definitely a switch which makes that function go away. And if it does not work for you, than you can switch to another Custom ROM which will suite you better. No need for hurt feelings, this community is not (thanks God) a toxic one. And so far, all of hicups and troubles could be solved sooner or later. So all the best to you @MimLot and I wish you to find the right ROM for your user case scenario soon.

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I didn’t mean that in a toxic way. But I want my objections to be taken seriously. AI is not just software, it is highly flawed and controversial. Users choose a CostumRom because they want to be in control of their data and their operating system and its applications. I therefore think that users need to be informed about the use of AI and that they should also be allowed to decide whether they want to install the tool.I don’t think this opinion has anything to do with toxicity, but I seem to have hit a sensitive nerve.
PS: I use a translator and I don’t know every word he translates. I hope there wasn’t an inappropriate word.

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@MimLot Your reply is clear, no problem there, your translator works well. And no sensitive nerve touched there :slightly_smiling_face:. It is just about kind and constructive approach. I do understand and agree on your right to sound any concerns or alarm about unvanted and possible damaging changes to the OS you are using. On the other hand, at least in my experience here, all of your questions and coments will be answered (not necessary in the way it will suit you) with dignity and fair approach.

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Your data is in control. It’s clearly stated that the AI runs on the device and never sends data to Google.

Also very disappointed to see AI now being baked into AOSP. The fact its in AOSP being the key point here, its not something Iode added.

AI is going to be baked into Android more and more and even if Iode took the stance of trying to remove it its going to become more and more of a loosing battle.

The “on device” argument has no legs at all. The settings are buried and as more stuff gets added in the settings will also become more scattered. This will inevitably include “off device” stuff too.

As usual the features themselves are laughable. If you can’t be bothered to read messages from people or a group chat then simply don’t participate with/in them. Please do not chime in based on your AI summary. Again, argument for Google/AOSP and not Iode.

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To each its own. There is never a single thing which could please everybody at the same time. AI is here and it will not go away anytime soon. Evolution. Everybody will have to deal with it on personal level. I guess we will have choice. Either find ways to use AI to our advantage or make it our adversary. There is no wrong choice. Just choice.

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The term “AI” is often just marketing for automated algorithms: tasks like optimization or sorting, which have existed in OSes for years, NOT just large language models, which are clearly NOT being used here. Since most people are thinking of problematic technologies like chatGPT when people say AI, I can see how the lack of clear communication for any algorithm would be seen as problematic. The notification organizer and similar tools are optional, even if the off-switch isn’t obvious; in AOSP they are limited to background optimizations (like battery or update management) and don’t involve personal data beyond what’s necessary for those functions.

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can iodé make them off by default?

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iodé is based on lineageOS, which is based on AOSP, so in general iodé can’t and won´t make big changes in the base. That said, the sentiment some have made is about the enshittification of Android, but the tendency is NOT for Google to do that from the part that can be seen and studied (AOSP) but inside the proprietary part. The bigger threat to AOSP is not google adding crap to it, but removing essential functions of the OS from the open-source part and replacing them with proprietary tools in the proprietary part of the stock Android, leaving us with a less functional AOSP.

I’m sure we could turn it off this algorithm by default, just as we disabled the switches for by-country call recording, but I’m not sure it justifies the effort, since most of the protest is around what it’s labelled (“AI”), rather than it being an algorithm per se that responds to your use of notifications (whether you open them or dismiss them) over time.

We trust the folks at lineageOS to usually make the right decisions. But for sure, iode will continue asking for feedback and those responses will determine where resources get put, and sometimes they will go into upstream changes.

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Thank you very much for the detailed explanation! This makes some things more understandable for me. For me it’s not about the term “AI”, but rather that an algorithm reads my behavior or automatically records it. But obviously it’s not always possible to simply remove features. At least they can (still) be switched off. I would just like a little more transparency.

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As usual, @brinerustle has put things better than I could, but let me give my take as well.

My take is also that it is a “sloppy” use of the term “AI” by AOSP for this new feature (see what I did there? :slight_smile: ) They think they can just add the term “AI” and be all trendy. But I would say that likely a great majority of privacy-focused custom ROM users are triggered by that word in a “not good way” like nails being dragged across a chalk board.

In my understanding and as others have noted, the “group conversation summary” feature is simply one that is adapted based on other inputs, as good software in general should do. Other examples that have been with us for some time that could have been “sloppily” labeled as “AI” features:

  • “battery optimization” for an app
  • auto-removal of app permissions if you haven’t used the app for some time
  • phone not ringing if the caller isn’t in your contact list

Since these “smart features” existed before the “AI craze” they weren’t labeled “AI”, but I would hazard a guess that if they were just introduced they would all have the term “AI” associated with them :slight_smile:

Regarding the lack of transparency, yes this is maybe one feature that should have made our 7.3 release announcement which I didn’t make a post about yet as I was away this past weekend, but look for it shortly, and then we can followup up there more broadly on introduced features.

Last note: these major interface updates and new features are more substantial when going from v7.2 to v7.3 than when going from v6 to v7! I find this a bit less than ideal, but it is the way that AOSP development has gone.

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