100% agree with your points on AOSP. I was going to add a lot of other stuff about that to my rant but I thought it was long enough already. The biggest worry, IMO, is the proprietary part of Android (Google Services) becoming a hard requirement by more and more apps in the name of “security” and “certification”.
Anyway, time will tell and people will find a way forwards
I quite agree with most of you, AI is not just an innocent software that should be implemented by default and without notice (firefox’s way). It has several impacts on ourselves and the society in general.
I just thought that I had immediately discovered the switch (desactivated by default?) after the upgrade to 7.3 but now discover another switch that was activated!! Both are in “notifications”
It’s neither stupid nor irrational in a privacy-focused operating system. Few of us have the background to analyze new software and figure out how it works and what servers it’s sending data to and how it may be violating our privacy. Therefore, I don’t want AI or anything similar to it. If I did not care, I would still be using Scroogle and normal Android phones.
Does that actually completely turn all the “A.I.” features off?
I see the top two items in this list as being AI-like because these features observe user behaviour and make internal changes in response. However, I don’t see how the bottom feature would qualify as AI because it is a simple setting that is on or off - it does not make internal changes based on any learning of user behavioural patterns.
AI is a “trigger-word” for me. I appreciate this conversation discussing the nuances of what the term means and implies, and how it applies to Iode.
As I understand these “smart notification features” (note I continue to object to them being termed “AI”) are local only there are no servers involved.
putting aside the serious implications of heavily integrated non-consensual data recording, even if it’s intended to stay on your device. (I don’t like the iPhone taking frequent IR snapshots of my face even if it stays on my device, for several reasons that should be apparent, even more so if it’s not disclosed to me)
the main over arching issue is not having control over your software and hardware and personal data. When there are decisions made for you on your device that are not explicitly defined in the source code, then you don’t have control over the software.
You can see a decision tree in source code. And with properly annotated source code you clearly can see under what circumstances decisions will be made
However people very often cannot see under what circumstances decisions will be made with AI. The AI may be open source but many contemporary types of “AI” being heavily integrated today do not have a completely defined set of circumstances that decisions will implicitly be made under with high certainty.
The developer may not even know the complete set of circumstances much of the time. Which is why id argue it’s a bad practice in far too many cases that it’s used for.
People choosing open source software so they know what their software will do should not be gaslit when they say “AI” in the source code is preventing them from knowing, especially when in many cases the developer even doesn’t know. (I’m not accusing anyone here of gaslighting about this)
it’s worth saying too that not knowing all of the circumstances under which an AI decides how a npc moves in a video game is very different from not knowing all of the circumstances under which decisions are made by your operating system for any of the many the important functions it performs especially with sensitive data.
You might respond to a lot of this to just say “most users don’t even read the source code”. Yea but many of them take the advice of the people who do read the source code seriously to figure out what their software will do. And when people who actually do read the source code can’t successfully figure out under what circumstances decisions are being made by the operating system then there’s clearly a problem for everyone who wants to know what their software will do.
yes, we can, and after hearing people’s concerns, the team has decided to implement this feature as disabled by default in the next beta:
The beta for iodéOS 7.4 will be out soon, with (among many improvements) the Notification Organizer disabled by default. We will include documentation on how to enable it for those of you who do want the feature in the future. For the moment, people wishing to disable it in 7.3 can simply go to
Settings > Notifications > Notification organizer
and uncheck “Use Notification Organizer”
What if they replied “Oh yea, it will be off we promise?”
Will it something activate it?
It was implemented without our knowledge, a move towards a Google controlled phone that you can turn this off and turn that off, and we promise it will be off.
I don’t understand this whataboutism.
As people who are not able to program an entire operating system ourselves, we do have to trust to a certain extent. I for my part trust an open source ROM more than I trust Google - and so I decided to flash CalyxOS onto my smartphone, after they stopped development, I proceeded to iodéOS.
If you don’t trust the developers, you can look for an operating system you have more confidence in. Or, for example, you could simply stop using a smartphone altogether. There are people who have made that decision for themselves.
Everyone has to decide for themselves whom they trust—and to what extent—or whom they don’t trust.
I want it completely removed.
I bought two BraX3’s and was looking at the new Slate tablet from Brax but now I an not going to purchase because iode has been underhanded and snuck AI in, I contacted Rob Braxman to let him know whats going on, this is a step backwards towards a Google infested phone that you can turn this and that off but you know it is not off.
Is this AI nonsense something Google has forced onto iode, something is not right about this
Well it’s now on social media that iode has implemented AI with update 7.3 and is a move backwards in the direction of a Google infested phone that you can turn this off or that off if you believe that.
If iode say AI forms part of the OS when it is not they could be open to a law suit for false advertising.
If someone within iode has implemented AI then that bad apple will rot the barrel, if they thought it trendy to pretend then theres something not right there too, why not do the job right and add everything Google?
I am here to free myself and family from all advertising, anything Google and most of all anything AI and now this, I am 100% against ANYTHING AI so something has to happen, either AI is removed from iode or I go!!!
AI is the beast system, a world superpower is spending five hundred billion dollars on this system and I want nothing to do with it!
CalyxOS is about to start uploading their latest for those who are interested…
Opening a law suit is very childish in this situation, if you stop liking iodé just use something else.
Goodbye!
oh i found that iodé also has automatic brightness from AOSP, that’s an AI feature lol
we did NOT sneak in AI, it was integrated from AOSP (also the base for Graphene and Calyx btw). As discussed other places like this post above, it is a local only “AI” nothing leaves the device and I think it is only marketing bollocks that it is labeled “AI”. And we also now are disabling it by default in new builds.
When new features from upstream AOSP are integrated we defer to them unless we are made aware at which point we can sort out what work is involved to not integrate it. This is the case here, it was integrated by default from upstream but is not disabled by default.